Vista, the new ME.
Posted by admin on Jun 19th, 2006
I was considering purchasing a new PC for some time now and I had hoped that Vista would be far better than Windows XP but alas, I fear I am reliving the ME days. Having browsed these forums and hearing friends and relatives tell me of their Vista OS woes has caused me considerable fear. Then throw in Microsoft's end of life cycle for Windows XP and you have all the elements of a doomed experience. Forcing me to upgrade to a new and buggy system is hardly what I would call consumer friendly. Also throw in the fact that, as for me anyway, I have collected many games and what not that would probably not even run under Vista at all. So there is more wasted money. There is hope, simply give users an option to upgrade their service and support for Windows XP beyond the end of life cycle for a fee, and in the meantime fix all of the Vista bugs, which in my humble opinion is how it should be in the first place. As for the people who purchase their computers with XP installed during this time simply waive the fee for them. Or as the best case scenario extend the service and support for XP users beyond the stated time limit. Consumer choice! What a wonderful concept! As for me if I am to purchase a new system I would demand an XP install or nothing at all. Final thought on Vista, buyer beware. Lastly, I do not wish to be entirely negative so I will give a heartfelt thanks to Microsoft for putting out a tremendously wonderful OS Windows XP. End 2 cent statement/suggestion.Phew. This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Webbased Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane.windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/enus/default.mspx?mid=9336840067a746baa411850aab9d9976&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Jun 23rd, 2006 at 09:07 pm
XP as a few more years of support, and just because Microsoft doesn't officially support it, doesn't mean the OS is completely dead. By the time XP is forced out of people hands, Vista probably won't seem all that bad"Tony"
Jun 29th, 2006 at 11:42 am
No one is forcing you to upgrade. If you upgrade, you do so by your own choice. As for the lifecycle, there is at least a few more years until that will be an issue for Windows XP and until then Windows XP will remain supported. Jupiter Jones [MVP] www3.telus.net/dandemar dtsl.org "Tony"
Jul 2nd, 2006 at 12:31 pm
"Tony" I don't think Vista is as buggy as previous OSes. I think what the problem is is people just don't understand how things work. There is a lot more to Vista than just a new interface. Some of the new features are quite nice and some so so and so just plain trash. For me the UAC is trash, until you can control it it will remain trash. A lot of my problems with Vista went away when I turned UAC off. Now it is just a mater of getting used to the other new and very useful things. Vista is also different from Windows Me in one other very important area. Windows Vista adds many useful things to Windows. Windows Me adding bugs and only bugs. Me was a very weak upgrade and a test buy Microsoft to see if people would pay for a service patch if they called it a new versions of Windows. It didn't work.=(8)
Jul 6th, 2006 at 01:41 pm
Isn't funny that a year ago people we're griping about how awful XP was? Now all of the sudden its a great and wonderful OS!"Tony" wrote:
Jul 10th, 2006 at 05:37 pm
I thought I was the only one who picked up on that.I have been working the XP news groups since it was in beta. A certain, persistent bunch of complainers had nothing ever to say positive about XP. Now all of a sudden XP is great. Stay with XP. Vista sucks! All of XP's problems were solved or obliterated with the introduction of Vista.Wow! (o: Regards,Richard Urban MVP Microsoft Windows Shell/User "Ron K."
Jul 16th, 2006 at 08:08 am
XP will be supported for the next 6 years"Tony" wrote:
Jul 17th, 2006 at 03:26 am
You can control what UAC does and does not do.Do a little reading and some research and you'll find out how you can fine tune it."Jack Splat =(8)"
Jul 18th, 2006 at 10:07 pm
Ha Ha HaInteresting point, all right I love Vista. G "Ron K."
Jul 23rd, 2006 at 02:33 am
Oh yeah the good old days, "stick with Windows 98, XP is unstable". LOL. Paul Smith, Yeovil, UK. Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User. windowsresource.net/*Remove nospam. to reply by email* "Richard Urban"
Jul 25th, 2006 at 12:49 pm
Imagine how good Vista will be when 'Vienna' is released!! "Richard Urban" Mike Hall MS MVP Windows Shell/User msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
Jul 31st, 2006 at 03:25 am
So then this guy called DanS said something like: It was a common opinion on the release of XP. It's a view still held by a small minority these days. I'm sure there are archived posts on google... Remember the days of 'software x won't run on XP'... Sounds familiar. Tim Fairchild Queensland Australia Mandriva Linux release 2007.0 (Official) for x86_64 Linux 2.6.20.3 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 2800+ NVRM version: NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module 1.09746
Aug 3rd, 2006 at 04:07 am
"Paul Smith" wrote in news:3146E52D1C12 42EBB37FD52315D852A1@microsoft.com: Uh....I've NEVER heard that.
Aug 8th, 2006 at 11:08 am
"DanS" I've NEVER heard that. You don't remember nVidia's drivers seemingly randomly getting stuck in infinite loops and bringing down the system? 8)Everyone was screaming bloody murder about that...! Paul Smith, Yeovil, UK. Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User. windowsresource.net/*Remove nospam. to reply by email*
Aug 12th, 2006 at 08:09 pm
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:38:43 0700, "Shane Nokes" wrote: Wow, what pearls of wisdom. Got any more?
Aug 17th, 2006 at 08:42 pm
Over night Vista will become a gem. Then Alias will be telling everyone to stay with Vista. (: Regards,Richard Urban MVP Microsoft Windows Shell/User "Mike Hall MS MVP"
Aug 20th, 2006 at 01:02 am
Yep. It took Nvidia about 35 months to come out with stable drivers for Windows XP. Regards,Richard Urban MVP Microsoft Windows Shell/User "Paul Smith"
Aug 25th, 2006 at 06:05 am
"Richard Urban" They're not doing any better with their Vista drivers...
Aug 29th, 2006 at 02:31 pm
The more things change the more they stay the same! Regards,Richard Urban MVP Microsoft Windows Shell/User "Mark Rae"
Aug 31st, 2006 at 09:08 am
Tim Fairchild wrote in news:45ffc1da$0$14422$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com: What does 'software x won't run on XP' have to due system stability ?
Sep 5th, 2006 at 09:03 am
Ron K. wrote: No it's not, there hasn't been a great and wonderful OS since Microsoft Bob! <GD&R>
Sep 9th, 2006 at 03:45 am
"Paul Smith" wrote: I didn't have that problem but I sure wanted to stick with Windows 2000, I liked Win2k and I still do!
Sep 13th, 2006 at 12:03 am
Go VISTA Yippee!!!!!! G "Mick"
Sep 14th, 2006 at 04:28 am
I have had great success with the nVidia drivers for the 8800 GTS, the Vista Beta drivers are working great and were available the day I got Vista for my game pc. Not sure about drivers for their other graphics cards though. First nVidia card I have ever owned. I usually stick with ATI, but I had a lot of trouble with ATI's drivers recently, their all in one concept does not work for me. G "Mark Rae"
Sep 18th, 2006 at 08:11 pm
I have Win2k installed on a PIII laptop. Still use it lol. Not worth upgrading that laptop, its sort of outdated but servers as a laptop for my kid to plunk away. When I got my start with servers I used that laptop with Win2k and rebooted once every three months, actually same with my server pc running XP now, reboot every 90 days or so. Win server 2k3 soon for the server :) and I now have Vista on all my other pc's and they are working great. G"David R. Norton, MVP Shell/User"
Sep 24th, 2006 at 01:37 pm
Aren't you forgetting Microsoft Bob Server ! "David R. Norton, MVP Shell/User"
Sep 28th, 2006 at 06:09 am
Richard Urban wrote: Correction: I said stay with XP until Vista is ready for prime time. Now, whether that will occur when Vienna is released remains to be seen.Alias
Sep 28th, 2006 at 09:53 pm
Richard Urban wrote: Hey, at least I'm being consistent! I've always said XP sucks, and I still stand by that! I just think that Vista sucks worse. ;) Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group: protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.htmlMost recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks): "DRM is not added to anything in Vista.""Good poets borrow; great poets steal." T. S. Eliot
Oct 2nd, 2006 at 09:25 pm
I've been using MS OS regularly since DOS 2.1 and in my recollection, no transition has even come close to the difficulty to get people to dump Win98 in favor of XP. I suppose the jury is still out on Vista but if the majority of XP users are still using XP in a year, then we can start comparing the two.Whereas the biggest holdups for the 98 to XP transition were hardware and software incompatibilities, I see the holdup here being the lack of tangible differences that the average user can see. Better security, reliability, etc. are hard sells for the average user. Without Aero, it would be even worse."DanS"
Oct 6th, 2006 at 10:22 am
"Tony" <snipped Vista Complaints>Weren't you one of those Guys who said the same about "Good Old W98" when XP was introduced?:)Of all my associates those who have had only negative experiences with Vista have one thing in common old or second rate hardware. I was given a copy of Ultimate by a friend who didn't want it I installed it as a trial in dual boot on my non critical desktop machine I honestly thought I'd be uninstalling after a few hours of playing. In fact I like it so much I have plans to remove the XP install from the dual boot and also to do the same with my Thinkpad which, like the desktop machine, boots up quicker and runs faster than it does in XP. Both machines are top spec hence, in my opinion, the lack of problems.
Oct 7th, 2006 at 04:49 am
From what I read you just need to try and play some Tiger Woods 2007 or getting the 8800s to run in SLI mode
Oct 11th, 2006 at 02:22 am
the doctor told you to take two of the red ones every morning, not the white ones, the RED ones...
Oct 12th, 2006 at 11:09 pm
Not for you I don't.You see I actually post solutions to those who want themTo the trolls I only post rude comments.So basically when I'm helping I kindly ask you to piss off. "Adam Albright"
Oct 13th, 2006 at 01:16 pm
What does it NOT have to do with it?Software x for hardware x won't install and when I try to force it it crashes my system.Sound familiar?Software that is written for an older OS almost invariable causes issues with a new OS.That's why things called software updates happen.They're designed to fix those issues and make the system more stable. "DanS"
Oct 14th, 2006 at 04:46 pm
Pop Quiz former MS hotshot.Who ran the Bob project?Should be an easy answer for you ;) "Zim Babwe"
Oct 20th, 2006 at 12:49 am
"Shane Nokes" wrote: You seem to have mistaken me for one who cares, I really don't know nor do I feel badly about not knowing, sorry. At one time Melinda French (later Mrs. Bill Gates) ran the project, the actual project leader was Karen Fries. So who ran the Bob project? Several people could be considered to have run the project at one time or another but the most important person in the Bob project was Steve Ballmer, I think he's the one who ordered Bob be killed and buried with no funeral service.
Oct 24th, 2006 at 04:59 am
Heck yeah, I look forward to that :) G"Dale White"
Oct 25th, 2006 at 04:07 am
I got a full dose of my medicine, its called Vista and its great lol :) G "john"
Oct 30th, 2006 at 04:34 pm
I was asking Zim Babwe since he's an officious ass who claims to have worked up here at campus.That's why he was the person I was quoting, not you ;) "David R. Norton, MVP Shell/User"
Nov 5th, 2006 at 01:31 am
"Shane Nokes" wrote: Ooops.
Nov 9th, 2006 at 03:12 pm
======================================= "If you can't make it good, at least make it look good." Bill Gates ======================================= "Shane Nokes" That's easy Bob
Nov 11th, 2006 at 08:02 pm
"Ron K." wrote: Personally, I've never liked XP and still don't. When I got a laptop 4 years ago, I made sure I got Windows 2000, since that doesn't always think it knows better like XP does (XP: I know you want to use that driver, but I think this one's better [signed=better], so I'll install it 2000: I know you want to use that driver, I think this one's better, but I'll install whichever you choose... just one example) Now I need a new laptop, the only options are XP and Vista, so I've installed Vista on my old laptop to see if I consider it better than XP. And yes, Vista is running on this 4 year old laptop a little slowly, but not painfully so.And an unsupported OS certainly isn't a dead one: we have an 8 year old PC still running Windows 98 (first edition, not SE) which does what it needs to just fine (Word processing / spreadsheets, email, web)
Nov 17th, 2006 at 12:42 am
Mark wrote: Windows 2000 is still easily available, if you would prefer it. There are loads of legal copies available, for example, on eBay. PaulB
Nov 18th, 2006 at 08:11 pm
Mark wrote: If you recall the benchmark tests when XP first came out, the fastest laptops AND desktops were always those running Win2k because of less overhead. As Paul B pointed out, Win2k is still available but do NOT consider it for your new laptop until you can make sure there are drivers available for the video, etc. that will work in 2k.
Nov 20th, 2006 at 01:09 pm
On 21Mar2007, =?Utf8?B?TWFyaw==?= wrote: You have the option of a Mac. Apple makes great laptops and OSX is second to none.I run Parallels on mine and I can run Windows 2000, XP or Vista inside of OSX, just like opening another program.Take a hard look.